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"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 07/14/2020 at 18:15 • Filed to: None

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Meanwhile, President Trump sent Jared to the hardware store with Mitch McConnell’s Visa card to buy a few shovels...

Verdog ~ manual Bro, Bro - HellHawk Equipped > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 18:18

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Geez, this woman is Super Woman. I have seen more medical journals on her than court publishing !

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 18:18

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Hang in there, Ruth

sony1492 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 18:22

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The legal proceedings sound like a much more alarming sickness

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 18:26

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It’s kind of insane our judicial system is relying on keeping an old lady alive, what does it say about America when we somehow get evil morons in charge and they have the power to change the courts for a lifetime. This whole situation has highlighted some shit I never thought would be an issue. For one the president should not be able to make decisions of a medical nature, on a Navy ship the doctor can relieve the captain of command if they are a danger to themselves or others. Fauci should have designed the response with a team he formed. We need higher standards for POTUS, no more electoral college, make Puerto Rico and DC states. Gerrymandering alone is just fucking insane, everyone votes, they are counted across the country, no more bullshit. It’s all debatable but there are too many ways to corrupt the process and it isn’t mail in voting! 

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/bigideas/its-time-to-abolish-the-electoral-college/

Future next gen S2000 owner > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 18:27

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Are we going to play the “let’s block a nominee for some made up election year rule”?

Seriously though, she has beaten cancer like 4 times. I’m sure she’ll be fine.

Monkey B > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 18:29

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We need Magic Johnson’s and Keith Richards medical crews on this shit ...stat.

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 18:41

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Maybe the Americans will write more concise laws and not cede so much power to the courts

lol

Future next gen S2000 owner > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 07/14/2020 at 18:48

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In theory, one person one vote is great but it quickly rules out any representation of rural areas. The founders had it right.

There are ways to remove a sitting President but they are difficult. The problem,as I see it, is the undying allegiance shown to a given party. If a representative wasn’t so beholden to the party they are a part of, our system would work better.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Future next gen S2000 owner 07/14/2020 at 18:51

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No, it would be, “Unlike with Merrick Garland, let’s confirm a SCOTUS justice in 37 seconds.” That Merrick Garland thing was the dirtiest politics I can think of in my lifetime, except maybe for how the Liberals tried to smear Brett Kavanaugh...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 07/14/2020 at 18:52

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How about, maybe the Americans will write more laws  and not cede...

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 18:53

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More vague laws just lead to more court decisions

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 18:54

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Clearly, the only prudent thing to do should Notorious RBG have to step down would be to wait until after the election in November in order to give the people a say in which president chooses her successor. Right Mitch?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Monkey B 07/14/2020 at 18:58

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Or Donald Trump’s personal physician:

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 19:07

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Was with you up until that last bit...

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Future next gen S2000 owner 07/14/2020 at 19:07

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Can you expand on this further? Why should rural areas receive more representation than urban areas? Why should my vote in an urban area count less than a rural vote? We’re all individuals. We’re all Americans. There are fewer people in rural areas - why should they get a more outsized say in anything? You say one person-one vote will result in reduced representation of rural areas, but the exact opposite is true today. There is undersized representation of urban areas.

“Rural” states already have oversized representation through the senate - both California and Wyoming have the same number of senators. Why should the same be true for the presidency as well?

And personally I really, really don’t care what the founders thought. It might’ve been true in their time - but there is no inconsistency in information or ability to access it, or voting, today between urban and rural areas (if anything it is the opposite - with urban voters having to stand in long lines for hours to be able to vote). There were plenty of things the founders were wrong on, we’ve amended our constitution and laws with time. I’m yet to hear a logical reason as to why giving rural voters more representation is the ethical/moral/reasonable thing to do.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Future next gen S2000 owner 07/14/2020 at 19:12

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Yeah there are issues but they are just rigging the system any way they can the way it is. I’m from Hawaii and it really makes no difference if we vote, it goes Democrat but it doesn’t make any difference in the election. At the very least they have to prevent gerrymandering. Just reading about what goes on leads me to really question what the hell we are doing. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Future next gen S2000 owner 07/14/2020 at 19:22

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I think you are on point here.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 07/14/2020 at 19:26

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I missed that word in your reply, but yes, that too. Has Congress passed any laws at all besides the big tax giveaway?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 07/14/2020 at 19:28

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Especially if November is more than a year away.

Monkey B > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 19:33

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I just...just don’t trust this guy for some reason.

Lets fill her with sand and a crank like that Karl fucker from Hellboy...we can just wind  her up when we need some sense in the SCOTUS.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 07/14/2020 at 19:35

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I guess it’s risky for me to bring that up and re-litigate the Kavanaugh confirmation process. It was ugly. Other than BK behaving badly as a privileged rich young white butthead, I don’t think there was anything substantively objectionable to how he lived his life and who among us here doesn’t have any memories of their youth that don’t make them groan when they think about it? Still, if the Dems completely rout the Republicans in November, and they enlarge the SCOTUS, I will refer to it as the McConnell Court.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Monkey B 07/14/2020 at 19:39

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I have got zero idea what you said in that second sentence.

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 19:42

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Not many. They seem content to let the courts do the dirty work.of legislation.

Monkey B > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 19:46

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this guy from the Hellboy movie

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 07/14/2020 at 19:48

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It’s really depressing. If DJT was possessed of even one shred  of humanity, right now he’d be sailing into a second term. (Maybe he is anyway...) And his turd polishers say that nobody ever divided the country like BHO did. *shakes head*

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 19:48

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Nah, this was about the time that Obama nominated Merrick Garland, and Mitch just refused to hold confirmation hearings, saying it was too close to the election.

In all fairness, Joe Biden made the same argument back in 1992 .

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 07/14/2020 at 19:51

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Do you think he’d do that again?

When and if the Dems rout the Republicans, and they enlarge the SCOTUS, I’m going to refer to it as the McConnell Court. There are some who trace our government’s debilitating dysfunction to Newt Gingrich and CSPAN.

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 20:05

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[the past four years]

“Can you believe Donald Trump did a ridiculous thing!?”

Yes, yes I can believe that.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 20:06

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I would agree that the great Republicanification of the government began with the Contract for America. That strikes my memory as the beginning of scorched earth politics, where government became all or nothing, and compromise died. 

barnie > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 07/14/2020 at 20:11

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Naw, we need to keep the Electoral College. Th e LA basin has the same population as 43 states. Our federal constitution doesn’t let the citizens vote for national positions. Let this stand. The 17th amendment did mess up states rights such that now both houses of C ongress are elected by the people. But, here we are.

Why is the president the only national position term limited? This should also apply to the congress. 2 terms and y er out. Maybe another 2 terms in the other body. These life-long members, both parties, are a lot worse for us than a president.

I’m a lot more concerend about my local elections. They affect my life a lot more. Local fellow I know is running for mayor. I like how he’s lived his life and his stance on local issues. Still don’t know what party he’s with. I do know that I’m not voting for any incumbent city counsel members!

barnie > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 07/14/2020 at 20:33

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We are divided into a federation of states. States rights overrule the federal rules except where it’s written in the constitution (or where it’s been subsumed over time by the courts) . The state has the citizens, not the nation.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > barnie 07/14/2020 at 20:55

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People don’t understand that the Electoral College works EXACTLY like the founders intended... They actually were able to anticipate the bullying that a few “very populous city-states” could inflict on rural areas— and they were keen on States Rights as a primary goal of the federation.

50ford500 > Future next gen S2000 owner 07/14/2020 at 21:56

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Agreed. We don’t need just California, New York, Texas and Florida deciding for the whole country who is president. Bigger states get more congressional representation, where the laws are made . Now these executive orders presidents have become so fond of are nonsense and have always been. As it supersedes the whole process in my opinion.

The president is theoretically (and yes I know plenty of people always want to say and have for years “well I didn’t vote for him so he’s not my president”) President of the whole US not just 4 big highly populated states. The reason the college exists is to ensure smaller states get to have equalish say in who is president. I get a lot of you don’t like Trump; I couldn’t stand Obama but he won fair and square all the same.

The problem as I see it is we have been far too reliant on this two party system for far too long. I can’t really stand most of the simpering republicans but I certainly don’t like the Dems descent into quasi socialist policies so I’m left with a lesser of two evils situation much as many of us are. Both sides want it that way because it keeps them all in power I feel mind you But that’s a different argument for a different day.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 07/14/2020 at 22:21

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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 07/14/2020 at 22:23

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I don’t know enough to say, but it’s a compelling narrative and when I look at who argues against that narrative, in my own experience discoursing with people, I am more and more convinced.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 22:34

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Groan? Yeah. Kavanaugh level shit? Fuck no.

MrSnrub > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/14/2020 at 23:42

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She really should have stepped down during the Obama administration. Hopefully she gets t hr ough this, but i f Dems manage to take the Senate in November, she needs to resign the second Biden takes the oath of office.

Dr_Watson > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 07/15/2020 at 00:10

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Meh we can keep the college. It makes wyoming feel relevant. I just want ranked choice voting and multi-member districts. I think those two biggies on how we run elections would go a long way. It would nullify gerrymandering and put a big crack in the two party dominance. America really has like 7 parties by policy/ideology.

Plurality winner take all bullshit is how Trump happened, not the college. Mathematically less than 6% of the electorate wanted him as thier first choice. Most of Trump’s votes in the general we re really votes against Clinton not for Trump.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/15/2020 at 00:43

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https://www.complex.com/life/2020/07/white-house-tells-hospitals-bypass-cdc-coronavirus-data-info

Well this is pretty terrifying. 

Future next gen S2000 owner > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 07/15/2020 at 00:51

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Cus! I need to make my way back! How are the waves?

I agree there are definitely issues, no system is perfect. Power corrupts and that screws everything over . I wish we didn’t just have a two party system but that is the way it is set up. A third party is doo med.

Future next gen S2000 owner > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 07/15/2020 at 00:58

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I’ll do my best. As it is set up currently, the president has to appeal to wide swaths of the country. I’m not sure if there is a perfect way to get equal representation across the board. As a whole, rural trends to be Republican and cities tend to be D emocrats.

Think about it from the other side. Let’s say you live in Wyoming, a presidential candidate wouldn’t care about your state and would do nothing to convince your voters they should vote for them. Time would be better spent in New York or another big city. Alaska, Wyoming, Montana and all other small populations would be completely bypassed.

You brought up the Senate and that to me is the beauty and elegance behind our government. This argument isn’t new. It’s why we have the House and the Senate. That was the compromise between equal representation of the state s and representation based on population.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Future next gen S2000 owner 07/15/2020 at 01:18

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I’m in NorCal now

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 07/15/2020 at 07:39

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I keep thinking nothing can surprise me. And yet this man, this administration, can do no wrong and to suggest that they can is to be misinformed and fake and biased.

Love-the-wagon > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 07/15/2020 at 09:44

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I understand the idea of making DC its own state but the land should go back to the states it was originally annexed  from.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Future next gen S2000 owner 07/15/2020 at 14:22

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Thanks for the response. Agreed on the split between the house and the senate and it makes sense. But when talking about the president, who is supposed to lead for all the people - wouldn’t leading for the most people be better than leading for places that may or may not have more people?

Your question about living in Wyoming or Alaska is simply someone not wanting to give up an outsized power they already have. Someone can certainly still achieve the presidency by collecting all the “rural” votes and managing to appeal to enough urban/suburban voters - and remember, even urban voters aren’t a monolith. An additional problem that currently gets ignored a lot is this piece - I happen to lean left but work in a very traditionally conservative field . I have coworkers who constantly complain that their votes never, ever matter in our blue state. Yet at the same time they seem to be just fine with the opposite being true in red states. This is hypocrisy to me. We constantly hear the same in social media circles about friends not even bothering to vote because their vote “doesn’t matter” where they live. Imagine if it actually did, I’d be happy to have that for my friends and colleagues. We need more participation in the electoral process, not less. 

In any case, thanks for the genuine response.

Future next gen S2000 owner > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 07/15/2020 at 15:43

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We need more participation in the electoral process, not less.

Agreed. It’s weird with the President. The President does lead all people and yes it would make sense to lead for the majority of people. I think most of this stems from the 2000 and 2016 election. The electoral college breaking with the popular vote doesn’t happen all that often. I think it would happen less if we increased the size of the House.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Future next gen S2000 owner 07/15/2020 at 16:50

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Agreed on that point about about the house . It’s not as direct as a national popular vote but resetting that will help ensure proper balance. Curious how this year’s census is going to turn out, and how COVID and everything else going on might have impacted it.

  How many more 2000s and 2016s are we going to have that continue to frustrate people, and at what point will it boil over?

Future next gen S2000 owner > ZHP Sparky, the 5th 07/15/2020 at 17:16

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I think it really depends on the President. People didn’t hate the 2nd Bush as much as Trump. I think if the President attempts to bring people together and unify, the complaining would be less.

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Future next gen S2000 owner 07/15/2020 at 18:23

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True, however “if the president is less shitty it’s OK because fewer people will complain” isn’t really much of an ideal to shoot for :) Anyway, thanks for the back and forth.